Tuesday, July 17, 2012

The Progressives

A liberal humanist critique of Obama's Life of Julia.
A perennial question that divides the political left and right is this: what sort of beings are we? Do we have an immutable, perhaps transcendent, nature that will surrender everything utopia for autonomy, agency, and freedom (Elvis)? Or is there no inherent nature, and humans are just socially constructed, plastic, seeking nothing but safety and a reliable sense of well-being (Julia)? Political Science, Psychology, and Anthropology cannot answer that question, and the sciences can only measure what is measurable. The liberal arts and humanities, however, insist that we are like Elvis, and that those who trade liberty for comfort always live to regret it.
I grew up in liberal Marin County. The reason the public schools were good isn't because of Federal Grants. They are good because the citizens of Marin pass a parcel tax and locally tax their own property more to help the school system. It obviously helps that the community is well to do and the parents insist on good public schools, etc, but it has very little to do with Federal money. Some other school districts may be different, but my basic understand of education is that it is state-funded and run.

I went to college and grad school. Yes, Federal loans were available and yes, they also inflated the tuition costs. I basically consider this a wash. In grad school, I received grants and stipends. I think that money came from private people donating back to the cinema school. That was a lot more valuable in dollar terms than loans. 

In school, I got mandatory health care by paying for it through the school. Afterwards, I got health care from my employers, not the federal government. There was a brief period where I paid for it myself unhappily.

When I'm old, I'll get Medicare and Social Security. But along the way, I get money taken out of every single paycheck on the way there to pay for these things, so it's not like President Obama is exactly doing me a grand favor by taking money I earn and then giving it back to me without any interest after 35 plus years. I participate because I have to and view it as sort of a social insurance, but it isn't exactly some great deal. For alternative examples, I pay for car insurance and when I've gotten in an accident, it has paid for it. This system works without the Federal Government.

I have yet to get any sort of Federal backed small business loan or mortgage.

I do appreciate the FDIC insurance on my bank account.

I appreciate the military and the FBI keeping Al Queda off my back.

I appreciate cops keeping the streets safe.

I appreciate roads and bridges being free, but it isn't as if we couldn't figure out how to build roads and bridges like they are some sort of invention of liberal governance.

In any case, I suppose I'm bringing up the Life of Greg to contrast with the life of Julia only because the life of Greg happens to be real and the Life of Julia some theoretical construction of how Obama's policies are helping people. The liberal retort will be something along the lines of - well there are other people not like Greg who need help from these Federal programs. I'm sure there are. I'd like to hear their stories. In fact, I'd much prefer those stories to some fake progressive cardboard cut out figure.

A RANDOM ASIDE: Two major goals of progressives are a return to more financial equality and better public education. I would like to point out how women entering the workforce in large numbers have the unintended side effect of hurting both of these goals. One, women are no longer financially dependent on men and therefore the divorce rate is much higher. This is good for women's rights, but arguably bad for the well being of children. One can go into the nuances of the debate, but it is a pretty safe thing to say, women getting equality opportunities to men has coincided with higher divorce rates. I imagine this will probably be true throughout countries all around the world. It probably hurts the financial prospects of children as well, as splitting up all the assets make the kids worse off in a financial way and this may hurt their opportunities in addition to any psychological or emotional problems associated with a split home (some kids are barely effected, while others are, I imagine).

The second reality is that American public school education used to be better because overqualified women became teachers. Is this unfair? I suppose it is unfair for the women to have less opportunities, but the beneficiaries of this unfairness were kids getting a better education from top-minded women, who now are more likely to go into more lucrative or rewarding fields of work. This isn't suggesting that I favor a policy of making women have fewer opportunities, merely pointing out that our educational system was benefitting from it.

5 comments:

Anonymous said...

There's a lot to discuss in your post, but to focus one the one thing that relates to Obama's comment that is being attacked:

"I appreciate roads and bridges being free, but it isn't as if we couldn't figure out how to build roads and bridges like they are some sort of invention of liberal governance."

It's not like Obama views roads and bridges as an invention of liberal governance. He wants the federal government to borrow money (essentially for FREE, since interest rates are so low right now) so they can use that money to pay construction workers to repair roads and bridges. This will help the people and businesses that use the roads, and it will put money in the pockets of the construction workers. These workers will then buy things like new refigerators, shoes, and eat out more in restaurants. This will allow these private sector businesses to expand and hire workers.

Do you get it? Do you get what Obama is trying to say? Without the stimulus, the roads aren't going to get repaired and the construction workers are going stay home.

If you don't agree with the logic behind behind the stimulus cyle I've described, that's fine- offer objections to your heart's content.

But why do you have to make these things into a moral argument, assuming that Obama loves government on principle? In this case, the government is not an end in itself, but a means to jumpstarting the overall economy.

What is the conservative alternative to growing the economy? Cut taxes, redistribute wealth upwards, reduce regulations, and somehow the economy will rebound. Where in here is the plan for construction workers to get work and the roads to get repaired?

It's a serious question: can you help me out on how this supposed to work?

Forgive me for siding with Obama and the plan that actually makes sense to me.

Greg said...

roads and bridges were built and repaired long before the stimulus package. you speak as if it weren't for the stimulus we'd suddenly be driving on dirt single lane roads again.

you could also pay people to dig holes and then fill them up again. then they can go out and eat in restaurants and buy stuff. is this a good way to run an economy or a society?

(random point - in theory, you could have private roads constructed and people pay tolls to go on them. i'm not in favor of this radical libertarian solution, but it could theoretically work just as fine as taxpayers paying for roads.)

basically, you and obama believe we can spend our way out of recession by upping government spending. i believe this is at best, a short term band aid to help unemployment because there are large and dangerous social and political costs to unemployment that extend far beyond just the economics of it.

i guess what you don't want to consider is the problem of debt or the potential problem of inflation or just the overall general attitude of spending more than you take in or viewing people's money and property as some type of gift from the government, as opposed something they earned.

Anonymous said...

To address your paragraphs in order:

1) American infrastructure is in need of repair. There is very little money to do it due to the slow economy. Money that used to be available isn't anymore. Who said anything about dirt roads?

2) Let's leave the digging holes out and I would say, that just sending people money is indeed one solution. In fact they did this via tax refunds four years ago or so, I think it was under Bush.

3) I don't think your proposal works even in theory for a whole host of reasons, and that's why you never hear of such things.

4)This paragraph is confusing because I feel like we totally agree here. Any stimulus should be short-term until the economy gets going again, and not ongoing. And yes, there are massive social and political consequences to long-term unemployment, and that's why a stimulus should put people to work.

5) You are correct: I think debt and inflation are less problematic than long-term unemployment.

As for the general attitude of spending more than you take in: we do this all the time. We don't all buy a house with cash. We don't all buy a college education with cash. We don't all start businesses with cash. Mitt Romney himself borrowed money from his parents and from banks to make his fortune. Governments can do this too.

That last part of your last sentence: whose money am I taking here? The money the 1% are going to lose by raising their tax rate a whooping 4.6%? Fine by me. Robbing the future generations by adding to the debt? That doesn't fly with me. What will really rob future generation is if America becomes a poorer country due to a prolonged economic slump.

You still haven't offered a plan to grow the economy.

Greg said...

1) i - along with everyone else - can agree infrastructure repair is a good idea in a bad economy. the point i made re: obama's roads and bridges comment is that he was qualifying the success of businesses being due to the government building those roads and bridges. i fundamentally disagree with that point. the success of businesses are due to their creativity and ingenuity and their products and luck. many businesses fail. what did the roads and bridges do for those businesses? and did i miss something? didn't we already do a major stimulus that included infrastructure repair?

2) if sending people money is a good solution - why don't we just send everyone 1 million dollars so everyone is now a millionaire and no one is poor? explain why that would be a bad idea.

3) toll roads in fact do exist - down toward san diego and outside parts of chicago i know. furthermore, in the olden times, this was how feudal governments made money by charging tolls on roads. i don't think we should return to such a system, however, i don't think obama deserves much credit for road-creation given than roads have existed long before him and will continue to exist long after him.

4) you are arguing for more stimulus even though we already had one. fine. i get it. what happens if the 2nd stimulus gets unemployment down to 7%? then what? 4%? then what?

5) i take it you are not on a fixed income or haven't been paying attention to what's happening in europe. if you were on a fixed income, ie near retirement, you'd be terrified of inflation. and re: debt - what happens when your debtors start asking for their money back? what happens when the cost of borrowing money goes up? who will bail us out then?

6) yes, governments can borrow. i get it. even having a little debt is good. the problem with too much debt, however, is the cost of borrowing can go up very quickly and there can be pressure to inflate the currency to get out of it. such systems reward spenders and punish savers. it is a recipe for disaster. it is what happened in weimar germany. it is why we are in this financial crisis - too much home loan debt.

7) i don't have a plan to grow the economy because the economy doesn't grow because someone up on high decides it will grow. obama doesn't wave his magic wand and cause economic growth. if he, or anyone else did, then why would the economy ever contract or perform poorly? no...the economy basically grows when there are technological or managerial breakthroughs. read tyler cowen's the great stagnation. growth IS a major problem now because we do not have major technological shifts in the way people live or spend (the internet does not count). how does this happen? no one knows. what makes a brilliant idea? how do we encourage people to invent something important? how did henry ford come up with his ideas? albert einstein? i don't know. but i know running up credit card debt does not make one rich.

Anonymous said...

This discussion is getting too diffused to adequately continue responding to every point made, especially since each paragraph you and I make has more than one idea in it.

In sum, I think you greatly simplify and exaggerate the points I am making in order to prove your points. You make some good points about inflation and debt, and though I'm not an expert, I've read stuff by people smarter than me who see unemployment as a much more serious threat to our economy than those factors. You've probably read your people who are more concerned about other things. So be it.